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9 responses to “What Drives the Price of Gold and Silver?”

  1. Keith,
    I find it amazing to be able to learn about gold,futures,inflation vs deflation.
    You do not believe in mass naked shorters.
    This is quite possible,but what do you think about big banks those fees when purchasing or selling PM for customers, charges for storage PM and perhaps this PM use to arbitrage.
    Called bulls in bear skin.
    Do you think this fraud existence and what are the consequences?

    1. Keith, it looks to me like Nico is wondering if bullion banks fraudulently use metal for trading that they are storing for customers.

      I found your article very informative. I appreciate your scientific and unemotional approach. Thanks!

  2. Only the bullion banks themselves know exactly what they are doing.

    That said, account agreements for a margin account typically allow the financial institution to hold your assets as collateral against your position and to further allow them to pledge those assets to their counterparties as collateral (this was true for MF Global).

    What positions they put on is, of course, the big question. I would expect that a bullion bank would typically be hedged. If they take your gold and lease it, then they give up the physical metal and get a lease in exchange. If they sell it, they would buy a future at the same time. They would not want to take price exposure, certainly not on the short side.

    By the way, I am not saying that this is necessarily good for the client. The above has plenty of counterparty risk. It is not necessarily fraud, but it can lead to client losses.

    1. the larger question is how such behavior, worse yet, when mf global corzined the metal, affects the basis. i’ve been tinkering with the basis/cobasis sice fekete time. fekete never addressed the possibility metal could be corzined, silverax thinks only nutjobs would suggest that every ounce of metal would not be in those etf’s. i use overlays and spreadsheet to examine the basis and nothing showed in my data that mf global was going to default. not prior and not after did i see any stress in my data – which may not mean much but i dont know of anybody else who reported sudden move in the basis to predict metal vaporization. so i leave this with you to tell me where i went wrong – possibly by showing your data around mf global.

    2. the larger question is how such behavior, worse yet, when mf global corzined the metal, affects the basis. i’ve been tinkering with the basis/cobasis sice fekete time. fekete never addressed the possibility metal could be corzined, silverax thinks only nutjobs would suggest that every ounce of metal would not be in those etf’s; and all being above board. i use overlays and spreadsheet to examine the basis and nothing showed in my data that mf global was going to default. not prior and not after did i see any stress in my data – which may not mean much but i dont know of anybody else who reported sudden move in the basis to predict metal vaporization. so i leave this with you to tell me where i went wrong – possibly by showing your data around mf global.

  3. ex nihilo: For a week or two prior to the MFG BK, the bases in gold were rising and cobases falling even more sharply.

    If people expected the BK with enough advance warning, they could have moved bars they owned outright to another custodian or out of the system. Those few who held futures with intent to take delivery (and cash) could have sold them and bought the gold in the cash market. *THAT* would have caused a change in the basis, if there were enough of them.

    1. thanks keith. my frustration over the past many years, tweaking the basis calcs, trying to incorporate gofo rates and other fudge factors, the basis doesnt tell me anything about the stress in phyzz. at least not that i can see. my theory, as you know from past comments, is that the metal is loaned out many times over w/o full disclosure, phyzz inventories are misreported and even the basis is rigged via gofo rates. i did not believe it but after libor rigging, i do.. if your basis calcs talked to you when mfg went down and you profited from that insight, good for you.

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