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11 responses to “The Gold and Silver Fundamentals, 30 Aug, 2015”

  1. I think I’m relatively clear about the above. I would call it a ‘system’. A way of predicting the future which is unpredictable. This is not to say it doesn’t work. Over my pretty long life I have noticed that systems really work well until they don’t.
    One thing I must have missed is the wilful manipulation of the futures price, Throwing millions of IOUs into the market at quiet times to crash the “price”. How does that fit in?

  2. As ever an excellent article Keith. So pleased to learn that the fundamental price is not just sucked haphazardly out of your thumb. Trusting that your algorithm is mathematically sound.

  3. Thank you so much, Keith!!! You are the lone lighthouse of truth in a raging sea of confusion called precious metals investing. You are a true friend of small investors. :)

    Thank you, thank you, thank you. And God bless you.

  4. Keith,

    I’d echo and expand a bit on Baron’s thought above. It seems to me that your theory relies on honest reporting of what actually is in the warehouse. So my biggest red flag in this area occurred when the Comex added a disclaimer to reported inventory totals saying the figures were for reference only. The major bullion banks self report, there is no independent audit of their figures and they have been caught and fined for corrupt activities in a variety of different areas (Libor, FX, mortgages, …). They are still in business only because they are too big to fail and the government (and Fed) props them up.

    Does your model have a corruption factor component that you have not mentioned or do you just assume the reported figures are accurate? If you assume the figures are accurate and at a late date fraud in this area is exposed might not we expect an abrupt adjustment in the basis, co-basis, GSR and prices?

    Assuming the word of felonious liars to tell the truth in this area after being caught in so many other nefarious activities would not appear to be prudent to me.

  5. Keith, for the past several months you have been one of my must-read bloggers. Thanks for the insight into your thinking and methodology. I forwarded the link to this entry to my son in college, who is an econ/math major, as an example of the kind of analysis to which he should aspire.

    For those commenters who think there is nefarious manipulation/dumping going on, I point them to my comment on this blog for your 5/31/15 entry.

  6. And me to amusedobserver’s list of must-read blogger fans. Following your observatoins I did go ahead and acquire more “shinies” to my stack. I have been interested in getting more junk silver but whilst I was looking I noticed a rather brutal premium on $100 face value bags. While coinflation said that the melt value was roughly ten to one, ( a Mercury dime being worth around $1 USD FRN), the $100 bag was selling for around $1450, a premium of something like 45%! Bullion did not carry anywhere near this amount of premium. Any ideas as to why this may be? The one explanation I heard was from the paranoid crowd who thought it was that holding US coins made you less susceptible to confiscation in the event TPTB ever came a-knockin’. My thoughts were that if them feds did come, if it was silver, they’d take it anyway. I’m curious if you have any thoughts on this.
    Best regards,
    Theo

  7. Thanks for the comments and kind words.

    Baron: This system will stop working the day that speculators stop (A) guessing wrong and/or (B) stop betting on the prices of the metals using leverage. I am able to sleep soundly for the time being. ;)

    blowforhome: Not my thumb… it depends on what side of the bed I get out of. :)

    Perspective001: We don’t use the reported warehouse numbers, because they’re not terrible useful. Banks can have gold in all sorts of places that are not registered depositories for the futures exchange. They may also have a variety of gold receivables (e.g. leases) that mature on or before the futures contract. Whenever I say “warehouse” I am referring to analyzing the basis to determine it.

    Theosebes: I had heard that the premium on junk silver had spiked. I don’t know the specific reasons, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it was a wave of confiscation fears from a rumor or story. Maybe not.

  8. “””The 16.6 million gold ounces transferred daily in July was down from 17.9 million in the same month of 2014, according to the report. The 155.2 million silver ounces transferred daily was a big jump from 121.7 million in the year-ago period.
    By Allen Sykora of Kitco News; [email protected]“””

    that’s DAILY. do the dollars reach the trillions annually?

    why doesn’t that show up on a public financial statement somewhere as inventory and / or trading gains and losses? i think i know the answer to that: the results would be absurd. all private? lumped in with oil and pork bellies? ;)

    I guess that CME and COT reports on money come into existence in a weird world where books are kept in something other than money. here i think perspective has a point, we have fiduciary and custodial issues. they’re protected, but not policed, by cops.

    thanks to keith for making something out of the only info we have. we can tell the money from the pork bellies by the backwardation. as i understand it. happy coining all.

  9. Keith,

    Thanks for the weekly report.

    Considering annual Gold production is pretty much a known and stable and most of the Gold ever mined still exists why is there so much futures speculation in Gold. Some say 100+ times the physical market.

    Gold is not like most commodities which are effected by weather, production and many other influences, fiat currencies have many reasons for price variation, Government policy, QE, currency wars, trade wars etc.

    Even though we are told Gold is not important obviously someone seems to think Gold is very important hence the inherent large futures market. It seems as though Gold is quietly still the universal measuring stick for most things.

    Thanks

  10. Keith, I have an existential question about NASOE’s theory on gold backwardation.

    The argument goes like this:
    (1) If the entire gold stock were brought to market (at a sufficient price) backwardation should be impossible, as it is not a “scarce” good (relative to the flow of mining);
    (2) Temporary backwardations indicate a scarcity of “phyz” coming to market (either because the dollar price is too low, or the counter-party risks of recovering one’s gold seem too high).
    (3) Permanent backwardation will eventually cut the dollar off from most other commodity markets, and is the signal flare of the collapse of the irredeemable-dollar economy.

    So far, not bad (genius, actually)…
    Now you come along and start to articulate that backwardation invites and rewards the “decarry gold” arbitrage. Indeed, your charts are showing a better return (in gold) for decarrying one’s gold than is available from most savings institutions, albeit at unknown risk. Return-chasing, being what it is, the situation is comparable in some sense to the existence of a gold bond. The difference being in less choice of counter-party (many businesses might issue gold bonds, but a gold futures contract is offered by just a few bullion banks, whose books are less than transparent).

    So now my question:
    Is temporary backwardation the sign of a burgeoning gold leasing market, and the hope of gold bonds coming forth (presumably a Good sign that gold is starting to circulate and is being relied upon to store value by more people), or is it a Bad omen of dollar collapse?

    Isn’t it the case that if irredeemable dollars didn’t exist, you could not define “Backwardation” at all? As one who keeps his books in gold units, do you perceive the situation to be that the dollar is in Contango? If so, could that correspond to the dollar merely languishing as gold did while in contango relative to the dollar, rather than actually collapsing altogether?

    If the dollar is in contango, the trade is rewarding warehousemen for carrying dollars.
    That describes the NIRP world in a nutshell. The question being why the world needs warehouses full of dollars. That is where the question turns existential, as we each receive our statements from these warehouses every month.

    So good to meet up with you in Wyoming,
    -g-

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