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3 responses to “The Bitcoin Effect, Gold and Silver Report 24 Dec 2017”

  1. When it comes to BTC or anything related to economics the analysis provided on these pages is not only brilliant, it is lucid. We owe a debt of gratitude to Monetary Metals for bringing sanity and sound thinking to a confused world.

    But moving on to the so-called “fundamental” price of gold (let’s abbreviate that price ‘F’) things tend to get murky, as I’ve noted over the past months and even years. I see F not as some stable “anchor” but possibly a lagging sentiment indicator, at least in its effects. Have my observations been merely a coincidence? We’ll see.

    Recently we’ve had the fundamental calculation drop ~$100. What inputs to F caused a drop of that magnitude I wonder. If you’ll recall, earlier in December gold was first lower than F by at least $75 (when gold below $1240) but now that same gold is higher than F by $51, $1287 versus $1236.

    What are the implications of this elevated volatility in the F price?

    Have the fundamental drivers of gold really changed by 8% over the last few weeks? That’s hard to believe. But that’s what the model is claiming, isn’t it? Gold’s fundamental value has dropped from well over $1325+ to $1236 in a matter of weeks. That’s quite a drop any way you slice it, and the model now suggests that gold is actually overvalued whereas a month ago the same approach suggested gold was undervalued. I’m confused.

    As it happened, gold rallied from it’s undervalued condition. Will it now drop from its overvalued condition?

    We do know that one reason gold rallied is from short covering. In mid-December popular sentiment indicators showed about 9 of 10 traders excessively bearish on gold. If one further assumes that some of those bearish traders took short positions, what we are seeing now is short covering. The next COT report will serve to confirm that suspicion.

    What will happen after the short covering is largely complete? Will gold head back down as the current F price suggests? I have my doubts about that too, but it is possible. The more probable scenario is a continuation of gold’s rally into 2018. Once the rally has convinced enough traders that the bottom is in, the F price will rally too, and will quickly overtake the actual price of gold. Then, once the F price is well above gold, suggesting excess optimism, it will be time for a drop in the gold price.

    I’ll be monitoring the common sentiment indicators and post the aggregated results here. Let’s see if there’s a pattern.

  2. Hi Keith:

    Perhaps the rate of interest does not have a demonstrable effect on the USD price of gold. However, I have two questions from a different perspective. Years ago Antal Fekete commented that the gold contango was much “wider” when gold futures began trading in the 1970s.

    My first question is this: Is that observation true; back then having access to a commercial spot gold price quote during spot futures trading hours would have been much more difficult than nowadays; does MM have the data that would corroborate Fekete’s statement? My second question is: If indeed the contango has narrowed significantly over the course of 40-some years, to what extent if any do you think that is due to the concurrent secular decline in interest rates?

  3. 12/27/17 — Based on the most recent COT report, there is scant belief in the current rally. Speculators continue to sell, not buy. And speculators, especially the big ones who manage money, are notoriously wrong at major turning points.

    The “more probable” scenario I outlined above continues to unfold. Given this backdrop, the Fundamental price of gold is unlikely to overtake the dollar price any time soon. If my theory that the inputs to F reflect sentiment — at least to some degree — then the F price is likely to rebound slowly, at least in the first week or two. I suppose it’s even possible that with so much negative sentiment the fundamental will continue its decline.

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