Monetary Metals Supply and Demand Report: 2 Mar, 2014

The gold price didn’t move much this week, but the silver price dropped 68 cents. The fundamentals of supply and demand show something clearly that price charts cannot. Read on… Here is the graph of the metals’ prices. The Prices of Gold and Silver We are interested in the changing equilibrium created when some market [...]

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  1. cbarton says:

    Hi Keith, I don’t quite understand this:

    “One could point out that gold does not, on net, go into or out of anything. Yes, that is true. But it can come out of hoards and into carry trades. That is what we study. The gold basis tells us about this dynamic.”

    Are you saying that your indicators are telling you whether sellers of gold are putting their proceeds into some sort of carry trade? I do not see how the basis and the co-basis could conceivably tell us where proceeds are being invested, either geographically, or indeed in terms of any particular asset class. Interpreted this way, the statement above makes no sense.

    Gold, as such, when sold in the physical market, changes hands, that’s all. As you say, it does not go into, or out of anything. So, the statement above must refer to the money that sellers get for their gold, and, again, I cannot see how your indicators could conceivably say anything about where sellers of gold are investing their money.

    But maybe you have some other explanation for making sense of the above?

    • Keith Weiner says:

      cbarton: thanks for your comment.

      No, I mean if someone buys a gold future then the seller of that future buys gold in the spot market, and carries it. So gold goes into the warehouse. Gold goes into a carry trade.

  2. says:

    Is it always the case that a seller of a gold future always has to buy spot gold immediately? Can he wait until a more favorable spot price? I.e. he is selling “paper” for now?

  3. cbarton says:

    Derek, that is a very good question. The obvious answer would be, NO, they do not have to. Indeed, many claim that this is exactly how metals prices are manipulated downwards, large players naked selling paper gold and staying net short for extended periods of time.

    I personally do not know if this is the case, but prominent and apparently credible manipulation theorists claim that the ratio of paper claims to physical gold is, at best, 100 – 1, and that when the legendary hits the fan, many who now believe to own gold, will be left holding little more than (not so worthy) paper. Only time will tell, but my understanding is that Keith does not give much credence to these claims and theories.

    I will give this to Keith, however, that when a crisis point is reached, when people with gold will refuse en masse to bid on paper, gold will have gone into permanent backwardation. What is unclear is the critical part: WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?

    This, in turn, is anybody’s guess. My hunch is that the powers that be will declare gold ownership illegal and will try to force the populace to surrender it, probably at some seemingly attractive profit, or face penalties. Some suitable combination of carrot and stick will persuade most people into compliance. Keith, I think, considers confiscation of this nature unlikely, but I cannot remember his reasons.

    Keith, you might want to comment on this again? The powers that be will not simply slink away from a failed Ponzi scheme, but will try rescuing it. Can you think of a more likely approach they could take than some sort of coercion?

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