Monetary Metals Supply and Demand Report: April 15, 2013: Update

The Last Contango Basis Report: Special Update Since we wrote the Basis Report on Sunday afternoon, the markets have imposed further violence on the prices of both gold and silver. The gold price is $150 lower, and the silver price is $23, $3 lower. We were so curious about what would happen to the basis [...]

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  1. JR says:

    Actually Keith, this does beg the question;

    You’ve said a falling basis & backwardation implies a reluctance of gold to bid for $, & that the basis is a measure of this reluctance. Even though I’ve previously said I’m skeptical, it makes sense. I understand the idea of an obligation trading at a discount.

    Now we see that despite backwardation “holders of metal capitulated”, that there is in fact little reluctance for gold to bid for $ after all.

    What kind of measure is it?

    • Keith Weiner says:

      JR: The basis isn’t a guarantee. Something flipped in a lot of people’s heads on Monday. People who had been holding real gold metal decided to sell it. They are dollar thinkers, and they want to sell to avoid taking “losses”. The basis is a measurement, a snapshot if you like. The thing being measured changed on Monday.

      This is why we posted an update one day after the Basis Report, which is normally weekly.

      • petter_w says:

        Is it possible that they got margin calls? After all, futures positions are hedges for physical positions. So if selling hit the market, then an overabundance of metal was available leading to collapsing cobasis?
        Does the basis theory require at least somewhat stable ‘boundary conditions’? If you shake it up enough, weird stuff can happen short term?
        In our credit based economy, for gold to really move, wouldn’t that require problems to be exposed? It seems that right now all appears hunky dory with the stock market rising.
        Is it possible that the falling cobasis in gold and silver was driven by physical purchases on credit and that these guys are getting margin calls as the prices fall?

        • Keith Weiner says:

          petter: Sure, there could have been some buying of physical on credit and then forced liquidation. Though my guess is that there was a lot more selling than that.

          Look for my article on what has pushed down the gold price soon.

  2. davidroossien says:

    Keith– do you think that arbitrage forces become “stronger” during such panic selling? i.e. are there greater opportunities for arbitrage profits to be realized

    I would think that arbitrage would help to stabilize and reduce volatility on days such as yesterday when dollar liquidity is at a premium.

    did the bid-ask spreads widen?


    • Keith Weiner says:

      Sure, if you’re positioned with capital and real time trading screens, volatility will present brief opportunities that are larger than on normal days.

      They may or may not be trying to arbitrage the price of gold from one minute to the next (i.e. volatility) but they will be arbitraging the basis and cobasis.

      When you see both a falling basis and a falling cobasis, this means widening bid-ask spreads. That is what occurred in silver on Monday.

  3. tyonker says:

    Gold and silver backwardated by as much as I have seen them in the bull market. I have seen the effects of large contango on the natural gas maket in the past, it tanked , bad. Let’s hope the Doc and Keith have made the correct diagnosis. By the way, my money is still on silver, it always moves last but catches up and passes.

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